BMW R1200S

Great!
I like 1200R model.
But I will buy New V-max next year!!

A owner of the R1100S. Looked forward to see the R1200S and was disapointed. I think the R1100S looks better. I don't like the back seat of the R1200S

Finally - I need to replace my 2002 R1100S - 120000 km's

I've always loved the R1100S, but this one seems more beautiful, is lighter and more powerful. I want mine black.

I have a '04 R1100S and this looks like a worthy successor...can't wait to check it out in person!

I'm the owner of the R1100S which I like because it was sporty but also elegant in the mean time. I'm very disappointed by the design of this new R1200S. It's probably a good motorbike, but the back seat is awful and old fashioned. I can hardly believe it is the definitive design...This S series doesn't have the elegance that made the difference with Japanese or Italian motorbikes...

The only thing that we can be assured of is that it will be slow.

I like it. It certainly won't have the functionality of the 11S, but functionality is relative. I like the looks much better than the current version, and they've made the sacrifices for performance that I feel they need to. Now, so long as it doesn't arrive at only 100-105 HP, weighing 500 pounds, it should be a winner. Realistically, the price will be the issue for me; I can't convince myself to pony up 17 large -just- to ride a BMW sportbike, at least not brand new. I'll wait for the fallout from the early buyers. Always bargains there.

Little bit disappointed too by the design of this new S. Obviously they tried to make an imitation of some Ducati. Liked the current 1100S more. Would be interesting to know which one is the best between K1200R and R1200S. The K1200R is really more beautiful.

I wonder where does the picture of the R1200S in Grey color come from ? I read that this motorbike will only exist in yellow, white, black and grey/red at the beginning. Grey would be a nice color. Otherwise this motorbike will be probably perfect. The only weak points to me: the ABS system (less sophisticated than the one on the R1100S), the passenger seat too small, and this new design which is not very good.

0-100 Km/H in 3.15 s. Wow, that sounds great. Wonder when it will be available on the market.

little bit disappointed...but my wife!

Cannot wait to try this R1200S in March, even if I don't like the new design that much. Obviously BMW is trying to seduce the usual clients for Japanese or Italian motorbikes. That's a little bit silly I think because BMW motorbikes becomes slowly like other motorbikes, more common...

Disappointed.R1200RT too old foggy. R1200ST too ugly for words. R1200S too uncomfortable for two.
After an R1100S I think I'll have to seriously look at a Ducati.I like the R1100S but it lacks a bit in the BHP.

My wife and I own a 1999 Black R1100S which is very tricked out. We Love the bike and travel all over the Western United States. I like the looks of the new R1200S the increased HP and the weight lost, but where are the hard bags? My wife and I are not ready for the big K bikes and the other R bikes are to ugly. Give me hard bags and I'll take one in black.

What we can say is that the design of all the new BMW motorbikes is quite disappointing. What did they have in mind? Sure they want to break their image and want to like 'young and fun'... But where is the elegance in this already oldfashioned design? I'm already bored with the form of the K1200R I first thought interesting. Concerning the R1200S, as the brand could never pretend to manufacture real sport bikes, this kind of design sacrificing the confort is really ridiculous. Always had BMW bikes, but will probably turn myself to Ducati or Yam R1 now.

I'm going to buy a r1200s and need some advice on after-market muffler/exhuast system. Maybe some of you out there with 1100S experience can give me some recommendations.

cheers

At last! You did it! -One BMW which looks funny. But please, change the exhaust. The bike looks beautiful, it just need a beautiful bottom to be completely special. This bike does not deserve that horrible pipe under the back seat. Please, make one beautiful to make it all right.

I see this bike in a different light than most of you do. You are comparing it to older oil-heads . All of which were much heavier and much bigger bikes.
I see this new bike as being a reincarnation of the great R90S.
I was the proud owner of a 1976 R90S and I put 107,000 miles on that sucker by 1982. I see the new minimalist R1200S as a return to the 1st superbike, the R90S and as the 1976 version was my all time favorite bike, the only street bike I have ever owner more that 2 years, I think I'm a strong contender to buy one for these oil-heads. I'm a year and a half into a ST1300 and very tired of it. My GF is a terrible passenger, so no real passenger seat appeals in a perverse way. The two-tone red & gray with every option might be something I could enjoy longer that a season or two.

At 122HP and 450 lb. it certainly would out-perform any air cooled Duck, with a lot lower maintenance.

I might remind you that the R90S seat was small and under-padded for two-up riding also.

Fabulous design, I love it! But why not finish it with a sexy lower fairing?
Cheers,
Cliff
Builder of the R1100SS

Greetings-
I think this bike is definitely a step in the right direction for BMW...they really need a lighter-weight twin to compete with the Ducati's and Aprilia's. Of course it's not a 999 or Mille, but it's heading down that road. I could see potential Suzuki SV1000/Honda Superhawk buyers uping for this bike. The styling of this is just great, very refreshing, it just looks lighter and this is probably from the undertail exhaust which appears to be very well designed. I'm heading to the International Motorcycle show in San Jose this weekend and I hope to see this machine there.
Thanks for posting the pictures, hopefully I'll get some good photos to share here.

Nice bike according to the specs, but the styling is a step backward. German motorbike journals last year pictured much better potential final styling possibilities. Let's hope the stylists back in the homeland will take note and do some quick re-drawing of this potentially great bike.

can anyone give me some advice on after market mufflers for a r1100s or r1200s?

Had an 1100S, now on a 750 GSXR fast light and lots of room ! the attempt by BM to make a sportier Beemer isnt going to temp sports bike riders, the SIZE of the 1200S alone will put them off !!!!

As an owner of an 99 1100s I was looking forward to seeing the 1200s. I think the 1100 is a better all round looking bike.The 1200 looks very similar however I think will lack the all round capabilities of the 11. the extra ponies however appeals.The 11 is a great touring bike here in Australia.

Mmmmm...yea, I have had hardcore sportsbikes, now I've got an ST4, but the maintainence is a bit much, I'd buy this bike in a second if they offered hard bags for it...but that doesn't look like it's gonna happen. They can't pass this thing off to hard core sport bike riders as it's not competitive enough, so only God know what they were thinking in making it without availabe hard bags....

This bike hits me dead center. I have been rding for 40 years and everytime I was BMW tempted (last time was K75S) the performance was disappointing and I bought Japanese again (and Triumph ST last time).

Finally BMW has done it and I expect to convert.

This bike is absolutely spot on when you consider who it is targeted to. Riders who are tired of the vanilla look of most japanese sport bikes (own one), and recognize that their track-specific performance profile is more about bragging rights and ego gratification than about actual performance(as most riders can't get anywhere near the performance envelope). Riders who still want bikes that excite emotionally (after all, bikes are invariably an emotional purchase) and who are not ready for a touring bike. BMW understands their customer perfectly. BMW gets it. I am their target audience...BMW gets me.

I own the R1200 GS and love it. Wan't a sportier road bike for the twisties and the track and this is just the ticket! Was looking at Ducati Monster until I saw this beauty. Put me down for the silver model.

I hate that combination fairing/gas tank afair. Did Bangle have anything to do with the design ?

Been riding 48 years, the last 4 years on a Hayabusa. Handling, comfort, and torque have become all-important to me for trips and twisties. The new R1200S looks like my next bike (in black, thank you). Now, if they would just offer it with compact, detachable hard bags, there might great demand for their classy new machine. Good show BMW...!

I've been waiting for this to come along. I have a 2004 R1000S Prep but I don't know. I'll have to ride it. I find that pictures usually don't due justice the BMWs. We'll see. What nags me though, is that I can get a K1200R for the estimated cost of the R1200S;$14K. It will be stripped down of course but AHHHH the horsepower difference. Then again, the K1200R isn't an air cooled twin and I love air cooled twins.

I own a 2001 R1100S with ohlins, exhaust system and some original geometry changes. As an ex Superbike racer and coming off Japanese and Italian sports bikes, the R1100S was definitely a change but a positive one. The R1100S a beautiful looking classey motorcycle with great real world benefits. There are almost no riders that can keep up with it on a twisty road outside of a few that have A grade racing experience. Yes its underpowered but on a twisty road it is not an issue. So you get passed on a straight - yes a little frustrating until you get to the next series of corners. Twenty more horse power is not going to change that. Dont kid yourself.

On the race track - forget it. That is an absolute joke that I find offensive to my intelligence. If you are serious about a respectable lap time, dont waste your money on an R1200S - go buy a real sports bike with some horse power and a wheel base that doesnt require you to send a telegraph to the rear of the bike so it knows which way the front went.

The R1200S looks sensational. However, BMW is doing a great job of selling out. We now have a throw away shaft drive unit, a wheel base that is 9 cm longer than most other sports bikes (up 1cm from the 1100s), No pillion comfort. Its now a pretend look alike sports bike (That will never be a sports bike) that you cant carry a passenger on comfortably or luggage. The R1200S sits squarely in no mans land with the real world benefits of the R1100S taken away.

Marketing rubbish that will sell a few more bikes to the wanna be go hards. A good rider will clean up 99% riders on the 1100s because most cant ride any bike to its potential. Thats a fact.

I wanted the R1200S to be an R1100S with a smoother gear box, shorter wheelbase, stiffer telelever, better brakes, 30 more horse power delivered without increasing revs and compression ratio to much. BMW didnt make it.

I'll keep the R1100S - a classy motorcycle and will fix the weaknesses my self. BMW can keep their sell out new japanese paradigmn.

i too was awaiting a replacement for my 99 r11s. Without bags or a decent rear seat there is no way i would get this bike...

Wait till you see it in person. It's awesome. Just returned from Daytona bike week and got to see it up close and personal. Very unique, very sexy.

Looks like the 1200S is a compromise between retaining some of the old 1100S styling and going down the dubious path of the newer design of the current Beemer range. A Staintune exhaust or like would tidy up the awful arse end! As for the specs...fantastic!

Currently ride a K1200rs. Nice bike too heavy, too long of a wheelbase. Bought the bike to do more touring, wife originally told me she would ride with me. Rode the K1200s, nice bike higher reving tons of power, but still heavy and an even longer wheelbase than the rs. The r1200s is much lighter, has a shorter wheelbase. I could see this as the perfect bike for spirited all day riding. Luggage? Pasengers? Get a different model. Not all bmws need luggage. My two cents...

saw the r12s and bought a '05 r1100s B-Cup. has all the sport i need and kinda exotic, looks bad ass. really 29lbs and 20hp? in 5yrs all bikes are old! so, i think the r11s will look styish for years and is versitile...the r12s lacks some of the versatility, but im sure it will smoke harder than the average rider needs. it does look to much like a duc, lacks the bmw class.

Does anyone know what a race ready BMW R1200S potential is?
My dream bike was HONDA SP2 but as we all know that Japanese stop making them...That bike was legend...

If the race ready BMW R1200S has the similar specs as HONDA SP2 then I might consider building a BMW R1200S race bike...

Please let me know
David

Does anyone know what a BMW R1200S would do in race set up?
I need the accelaration 0-100 or quater mile run...and top speed....

I am not sure about what to buy? a RC51 or a BMW R1200S...? I like the looks of R1200S...Look very powerful...

I assume that BMW boxer engine would give out more power per piston munch then RC51 as R1200S gives out 1200cc power/punch at a time...

Let me know
David

Does anyone know what a BMW R1200S would do in race set up?
I need the accelaration 0-100 or quater mile run...and top speed....

I am not sure what to buy? a RC51 or a BMW R1200S...? I like the looks of R1200S...It looks very powerful...

I assume that BMW boxer engine would give out more power per piston punch then RC51/V90 as R1200S gives out 1200cc power/punch at a time...

Let me know
David

An R1100S owner myself, I'm a bit disappointed by the styling on this bike, but am excited about the improved performance. Drop in a cat eliminator and aftermarket exhaust, and it might see 130hp+. . .and at a weight substantially lighter than the R11S.

If it weren't for BMW's stratospheric pricing (I got an amazing deal on my low mileage R1100S), I'd probably put this on the short list for my next bike.

I road the bike and loved it. This for me was one of the truly fun beemers and those are pretty sort of rare. The brand tends to be a bit light on X-factor, though it is getting better.

I'm going to test ride one this week but with the Olins, ABS, and the wider rear tire I was quoted roughly $18K out the door. That there is a serious piece of change for what the bike is. I have a 2 year old R1100S Prep that CCC has done wonders for so I'll reserve any judgment until Chris's boys have a go at it. But $18,000.00 PLUS additional performance parts! How about a Hayabusa and a good used 600 of your choice?

I have just picked up a yellow version, with the Ohlins suspension. I rented the same equipped cycle in Switzerland for a couple of days, and road several passes in the Alps. On the basis of living on the rental, and traveling over some very demanding roads, I made my decision to buy the bike when I returned to the US. As on all sport bikes, you have to be the right size to fit the bike. That being said, I am the right size, 5'9", and about 170lbs. BMW did a great job of up-dating the "R" sports model. The greatest improvments being: the transmission shifting and the power band of the motor. If you want more than a, "track day", cycle, then this is the sport bike for you. You can cover long distances, and still do a track day. This is not a true track cycle, but it can be ridden very aggressively, and will not, "bite back". If you are interested, I will keep anyone posted as to the relibility of this cycle.

I am tempted to test ride this bike. I currently own a 6 month old 2006 Ducati S2r 1000 Monster. The Duc suits me perfectly. I am wondering how my 5'6'', 160 lbs frame will fit in this bike?

I have been waiting for this bike to replace my R1100S that I wrecked last September. I am disappointed in that BMW is not offering hard side luggage for this bike. I live in New Mexico and my rides almost always include an overnight, and a range from 7,000 to 12,000 feet. In summer, I cannot fit a rainsuit, a mesh jacket liner, camera, hiking boots, laptop, extra gloves and an overnight bag in the tankbag and rear soft bag.

I will not buy this bike until BMW decides to offer saddlebags.

Just got a black R1200S just like the one pictured but with sport package...190 rear and Ohlins suspension...bike looks brilliant. Had a 2004 R1100S. I put 31,000 miles on it. I believe this bike is as capable of sport touring as the 1100. The thing doesn't sound like a dry fart either!

Hi All - last week I got mine in black, after putting 140.000 km (equals around 100.000 miles) on my 2002 R1100S
Awfull looks - great sound - just getting used to the seating position ;-)

awful looks? are you guys insane? This bike is a massive step in the right direction for BMW to attract the younger riders. There was a recent bike day in our local BMW dealer and all the young kids showed up on their R1s and GSXRS and they all went over to this bike with admiring looks because most of them appreciated the styling of ducati but disliked the high maintenance and overall reliability of the italian bikes - a few of these younger riders wanted test drives because they were bored of inline 4's and wanted a stylish looking twin to give them something very different to ride. This bike is a great looking tool with more than enough power for the roads. It is actually unique and im some ways heralds to the old style classic racers. Well done bmw, a great bike to ride too.

The R1200S is awesome and elegant. The new seat style gives it that old cafe racer look. Even though it doesn't have a full fairing it looks like a sport bike rather than a street touring bike. I would not change anything about it.

I agree with Ian Sleath comments. I also can come up from behind on most riders, sit there then pass and leave them behind, simply because I can ride hard and take full advantage of what the R1100S has to offer.Most riders out there can not ride well. But ride with my usual budies on there latest Jap sport bikes and it does not take long for my bike to show it's weekness.I am on my second R1100S buying a 2006 R1100S Sport which was still available here in Australia. I could have waited for the R1200S but was put off on the lack of pilion comfort for my wife. Only time will tell if this bike will sell as many units as the R1100S has. The R1200S is here now but look at it in the flesh and I don't think it looks as good as the R1100S from all angles. Like Ian said 30 more HP will not make any differance to this bike if you are chasing your mates on The latest sport bikes. But with some suspention upgrades, and a bit of tweeking, you can make your R1100S sit up and boogie. Making all around that you are a serious contender on a Sunday Ride. I have a big bore kit in mine and ported pollished heads, air modifications and Ohlins front and rear and can still put the wife aboard with no fuss and less than the price of the R1200S. Cheers Kieran.

Kieran, I gather Staintune (NSW, Australia) have a 1200S just in and are looking at the exhaust setup. Certainly that would improve the look!
Ringo

Ringo, I believe BMW have made a good bike with the R1200S, and with some of the comments above I am sure there will be some very happy custermers. "But" if you own or have owned the R1100S one would expect BMW to have made there update model better than the capabilities of the R1100S and I don't think they have done that. What they are saying is if you want to take a pillion out then buy the R1200ST. What you have in the R1100S is now a bike that lies between the R1200S and the R1200ST. The only person that will buy the R1200S is one that doesn't, or has no need to cary a pillion and is not into touring. Like I said before it will be interesting to see how many units they sell of this model over the R1100S. Here in Australia we had 3 R1100S left for 2006 that sat on show room floors. As soon as the first glimpes of the new model came out there was a rush for the remaining R1100S's me being one of them. So for all that are interested in the new model please go and enjoy but for me I will be staying with my R1100S for some time to come. One can now realy appreciate just how right BMW got the R1100S and just how wrong they have got the R1200S.'CHEERS' Kieran

I have owned a '98 R1100S since 2000. It has been a woderfull machine on roads in just about every state of Australia with none, to a full luggage setup. Top machine. I have just done too many K's on it and its time to move on.
I am about to get (I have placed a deposit on one) the R1200S and I am getting it not for the long distance (unless a weekend trip to Phillip Island is long from Syd!) but for the BMW pleasure of low maintainance, durability, build quality AND LOOKS (the extra horses goes down well with me too!).
I agree on the fact that due to no panniers its not the same as the R1100S and with an obviously 'minimal' pillion seat it is not for a long distance two up trip. But there are certainly some overall changes that will appeal to lots - higher horses, another style of BMW 'sexy' look and no matter what is said above, there is BMW charm and difference in this bike that does make it stand out in a jap OR Italian crowd. This bike may not do as well in 'Race Mode' IE on the track but, how did the R1100S fair? All that I reckon the R1200S is about is fine tuning some of the R1100S's points to further direction.
I am looking forward to picking my new BMW up and enjoying getting acquaited with another BMW with its own quirks - that every other make and models has - and enjoying many K's on what I expect from the makers to be another reliable hard working classic.
Have I nailed perhaps what BMW was after or what is probably a overall perception of the R1200S?

I just rode the Ohlins-suspended model at my dealer a few hours ago.

I put on my leathers, cranked-over my Aprilia Mille and rode over to the dealer, where the bike was waiting for me.

I'm 6'6", so the bike had plenty of room for me. I was a bit surprised at the considerable height of the bars. Was this made for "comfortable racing" or something odd like that?

The shocks felt soft to sit upon, but I know better than to judge that factor early: my Aprilia feels like it's sprung on rods, while a Suzuki 1000 feels soft in the showroom, but BOTH can corner like racebikes at speed.

I cogged first gear and noted that it is very tall; the bike bogged trying to get going. I've read this in other reviews. First is way too tall, and the motor was way to weak at low revs.

So I rode slowly a bit. It steers VERY quickly, maybe even to the point of saying it falls into slow corners much more than most sportbikes that I've ridden and raced. It was a bad sort of feeling, like they tried to make it a bit too quick.

After warming it and its tires up a bit, I pushed her. I hit the throttle moderately and looked at the tach. "When will it GO?" I asked myself.

From 3000 to 6000 RPM, it was impotent.

I backed-off, collected myself and thought "It may need to really rev to show its power." (But, darn, it doesn't rev very high in the first place.)

I tried pushing it again, watching the tach.

5000, weak, 6000, weak, 7000, still weak and this serious vibration starts in both footpegs.

"Well, if it's not kicking my ass at the revs that it is vibrating this badly, I'm through here." I thought.

I stayed with throttle until 8200 RPM. More vibration and no punch whatsoever.

I took her back to the dealer after just three miles. It was not even interesting enough, with that lack of power, to goof around with.

Really. And believe me, I WANTED to buy this bike and add her to my stable.

Now, you can take this as you like, but I thought they said "sportbike", and this has not the motor for contention on any street or track with modern sportbikes.

It, to me, is as beautiful as they come, and as comfortable as anything I've ridden. At speed, the cornering is just plain wonderful. The tendency to feel like it is too short in rake and trail (that is, drop in to corners ahead of your input) goes away once the front tire is gyroscopically active.

So, at a technical track, with few high-speed features, good riders (like MANY R-S riders over the years) can push this into performance alot better than many of the other "thunderbike" models. But at a track where you want power to accelerate hard, the bike I just rode isn't even close to a Ducati or Aprilia twin -- not even close, and really quite a disappointment.

Still, the fit and finish, the beauty, the handling and the innovation are to be appreciated.

I have a K1200RS that is much more pleasing in many ways, and, as we all know, is not even within 200 lbs. of this light beauty.

My Mille is chipped and piped, and was dyno'd at 124 rear-wheel horsepower. With that as a reference point, I would have guessed that the bike I rode today has about 85 rear-wheel horsepower, and sickening vibration above 6500 rpm.

I rode my girlfriend's Bandit 600 the other day, and this bike felt like it had only a few HP over that. It was weak, and slow to charge. It just never happened.

Be very clear, though, that this gorgeous thing attracted me enough to check her out!

I hope they call me back to the dealer and say that one of the cylinders was not firing! I'll JUMP at the chance to feel her strength.

I fear that it is not really there, though.

Jonny

I could not disagree more with Jonny. My experience on this bike was completely different. As if we rode different bikes. I am selling a '04 Moto Guzzi LeMans, I already have a '01 RT. I was in love with the K12R - I went to the dealer and first rode a new K - S and then a new K - R. I was planning on buying one yesterday. I was completely dissapointed. I thought there must be something wrong with me. These bikes have like a gazillion horsepower, and this ESA suspension. Every bike mag calls them "bike of the year". My thoughts, no character whatsoever from that engine. Why even have gears? I couldn't tell if I was in first or 6th? Turns? Yeah great suspension, just like a roller coaster, all control but no feedback, it was about as much fun to me as going around a corner in my Lexus.

So I kept appologizing when I came back, and thought what's wrong with me, I hated it.

THEN - I saw the two tone red/silver R1200S I thought let me take it for a spin. I loved it. I don't care a hoot about the pillion as I have a RT that my wife rides with me. Again, this is just me speaking and I have already admitted there must be something wrong with me for hating the 4cyl K engine, but the KR goes 0 - 60 in 2.8 seconds, the R12S goes 0-60 in 3.3 seconds. I know I'm supposed to feel the diffference in the half a second. But sorry, I just couldn't tell. It is an awesome motor. It feels much more powerful than the R11S (as I remember of course from a test ride one year ago) In any event, I am getting an incredible price for my hopped up limited edition Guzzi Nero Corsa - I price I can't refuse, so I put my money down on the two tone R12-S. Now my garage is almost complete, a RT - a R12S - a VESPA GT200 - I just want to add a Victory Hammer for cheasey cruising and posing on Sunday's!

Cheers - Ride what you like - Just ride!

I have a black 99 R1100S, and I still think it's one of the best looking bikes that I've ever seen. It has 48000 miles on it - all mine - and the more I ride it the more I like it. I saw this new bike in person last weekend. I thought it was weird looking, but if BMW has made the improvements that it should have, the R1200S should be a great bike. I think its predecessor is a great bike.

I purchased an R1100S in 2003 and have been pleased with it ever since. It is the perfect sports-tourer combination. I was curious when BMW announced the R1200S and wondered if I'd be tempted to upgrade. Now that the bike has been released I am disappointed. The extra 20hp is not worth losing the practicality of the R1100S and I prefer the looks of the R1100S over its replacement. I do not understand why anyone who is interested in a BMW sports bike would forego the extra 40 hp of a K1200R or K1200S for the R1200S.

I have been riding the R1200S BMW for 60 Days. I love every inch of that bike. It handles great and has more power than any one man will ever need. I hope that I retain my license, I'm just waiting for my first super sonic ticket.

I've been shopping around for a used, low-mile R1100S that's been lovingly maintained. When I walked into the local BMW dealer to see the one they had with 2,500 miles on it, the first thing I stumbled on was a brand-spankin-new yellow R1200S. I was stunned! From the front, the bike is gorgeous! Then I walked around to the tail. Ugh! What the heck is up with the rectangular muffler and vertical pipes? Like a bloody double butt-crack. Blend the more practical seat and more beautiful tailpipes of an 1100 with the clean and sporty front of a 1200, and you'd have yourself a bona-fide droolworthy motorcycle.

As for the R1200ST - fuglier than words. I refuse to look at it. Need a decent pillion? Shop for a used R1100S, or find a brand other than BMW. I don't know what they were smoking when they designed the new R-ST, but it wasn't good.

So overall, with a decent set of pipes to cure the double a-hole look, I think the R1200S is good looking, but not as practical due to the lack of pillion accomodations (and as stated above, for me, an R1200ST is not an option due to the fuglier-than-words appearance).

Whatever you ride, ride often, and enjoy it! ;-)

Hello Staff,

Does anyone know how much vibration the BMW R1200S have?

I am thinking of buying one... I am not sure about that as of yet...

Let me know
GH

I though it was a Ducati. Is it reaaly a BMW? Looks great, buy probably to BMW?
Have to try it.

I though it was a Ducati. Is it reaaly a BMW? Looks great, buy probably to BMW?
Have to try it.

I bought a new R1100S in late 2005 and loved it. It had more power and better handling than any BMW boxer I have ever ridden before. But while I can have loads of fun on twisty back roads embarrassing blokes on Japanese and Italian bikes, the R1100S isn't without it's shortcomings.

So I was pretty keen to see the new R1200S when it was released and, after taking one for a long test ride (almost three hours) around my favourite scratching roads, have just ordered one.

I am generally pleased with the styling changes, although that hideous muffler just has to go (I'll probably change it over for a Staintune when they get around to releasing a replacement). And I feel they wanted to make the front of the fairing a bit too much like the R1100S and ended up with a less than exciting result. If only they had retained the twin under-seat mufflers of the R1100S (or perhaps something like a 999's) and styled the front of the bike like the more contemporary F800S, it would have been a lot better. Even so, I still quite like it.

While I don't care at all about the lack of a decent back seat (and will in fact remove the foot pegs and fit the optional seat-cover), I can appreciate why those folk who used the excellent pillion seat on the R1100S lament it's loss. Equally, I care little for the hard panniers (which were virtually a complete waste on my R1100S and were way, way too wide) and wouldn't have gone for them second time around. Even so, it is surprising that BMW didn't at least offer the relatively compact panniers as available for the K1200S (which are a lot better than the large but otherwise awful ones for the R1100S).

But for me, styling is secondary on this bike - it's all about the road performance of the bike. Forget serious track use, that's simply not what this bike is for. When I test rode the R1200S on one of the best scratching roads around my home town (O'Brien Road near Perth, Australia), I was a lot faster than I ever was on my R1100S. The increase in power and the way it's delivered make fast road riding brilliant fun. The handling is a lot better than the R1100S, and that's saying something (although I suspect that if I fitted a similar set of Ohlins to an R1100S it'd feel a lot better too). The steering geometry and the reduced weight make the bike far more nimble than the R1100S ever was – a welcome improvement.

Perhaps most importantly for me, BMW appears to have listened to all the criticisms and suggestions from people over the eight year model life the R1100S has enjoyed. Obvious improvements like more power and less weight have been done, but on top of that, every niggling design flaw and annoyance that I am aware of on the R1100S has been resolved.

The R1200S has relatively little tendency to make my hands and feet fall asleep due to it's counter-balancer shaft smoothing out the nasty vibes of the R1100S. And I can actually tuck my heels in while putting the balls of my feet on the pegs. I don't continually end up sliding forward into the tank. And the tank can now be gripped with the knees (unlike the overly flexible bodywork on the R1100S). The engine no longer tries to vibrate me to death in the upper end of it's rev range - indeed, the relatively smooth surge of power in the upper 2000rpm is a joy compared to the lacklustre top-end and strong vibrations on the R1100S. All in all, a dramatic improvement - all credit to BMW on a job well done.

So probably about the only downsides to this bike over the landmark R1100S (and forgetting those who want to compare them to Japanese fours) is (a) the arguably poor styling changes, (b) the almost unusable pillion seat, (c) the lack of hard panniers from BMW and (d) the relatively weak midrange (which is a bit disappointing after the strong midrange urge of the R1100S).

So if you don't mind that fact that it really isn’t the sports-tourer the R1100S was and you don't care that just about any of the big Japanese fours will laugh at it on a race track then the R1200S is an absolutely brilliant road bike. For my money, I want a bike I can take out on any weekend to my favourite scratching roads and embarrass all the wannabe posers - and the R1200S is the perfect tool to do exactly that.

I gave in and took the R1200S for a test ride on
Saturday 11th Aug 2006. The dealer was generous with me and let me have the bike for 3 hours. he should be as I have bought 2 bikes off him in the last 2 years. The test bike was fully optioned with Ohlins, ABS. The bike as every is very hard for me to appreciate because I still dont like the styling over the R1100S, I believe they have got it so wrong. The power and handling is no better then I have already done to my own R1100S. I have Ohlins and have had my motor worked on and have 101hp at the back wheel. I have also raised he ride hight so it turns in even better than the new bike. On the Sunday I was out with my usual friends riding and we wore all pulled over in a country town when the bike salesmen that sold me my previous bikes went by with this mates on the new R1200S and his mate on a Boxer Cup. After they went by I decided to mount up and take chase. I know the bike salesman has done track work before and through previous conversations i have had with him puts himself as a good rider. I went like the clapper and soon caught up g a new with them. There third mate was riding a new K1200R and I got round him because it was clear he could not ride well, the over guy on the Boxercup could and it took me longer to get him but did on a part of the road I know ral well. On approaching tt he R1200S he saw me coming and went for it. I never got passed him but he never got away from me. We both rode into town together. When we pulled into the the towns favourate hawnt there was plenty of bike riders there. I parked and the R1200S parked so he could show off the latest weapon BMW had. I have to say that the hour I was there not to many looked at it and as I glanced over to see it was there unappreciated It looked where it should be. Over there on its own not fitting in with anything. Make up all the excuses as you like but this bike is a ugly dukling and belongs where it was,all alone.

Cheers Kieran

Why all the negativity about such a beautiful bike? I have to admit I have not ridden the R12S or the R11S but from an aesthetic perspective the new model is a hands down good looker. BMW has mercifully departed from the stodgy, teutonic look and is now setting styling trends, as an industry leader should. Actualy, I thik they need to take greater risks as they have done with their automobile designs.
I currently own a 2005 R1200 GS and love the bike and especially the motor, even if the tranny is a bit clunky. The mill on the R12S sports an extra 20 ponies. Yum!
I look forward to test driving and convincing the financial officer side of my brain that the R1200 S is simply a neccessity and belongs in my nice, cozy garage.

What all the fafe is about is that the R1100S has been around for 7 years with upgrades like a fatter back wheel and twin sparked it to reduce some vibration that people complained about and BMW listened and tried to smooth things out.
For the R1100S owners after 7 years one would have expected that the new model would be a better bike. Not only the 24hp that it has gained but erginomicly be a better bike too! While most BMW'S are for the touring minded we can appreciate some sporting prowess that the R1100S has but is capable of a pilion and luggage and long distance. The R1200S is Squarely focused on sport with little or no pillion comfort and no luggage.So who will it appeal to. Sport wise it will not hold its own with anything other than its own kind, and thats a fact. The Japanese bikes will kill it in every aspect other than comfort. So lets rule out SPORT. That leaves COMFORT, and tourability for ONE. Lets look at something else as well. In Australia this bike will cost you for a base model $21,000 Ohlins $1000, ABS $1,500 pre Dilivery $550 Stamp Duty $750 Rego $434 Total $25,234 for a Sports Bike. So where does it leave a R1100S owner if he want to change his bike. The only improvement is more horse power and a tad beter handling which is debateable. I took the R1200S for a test ride and had to turn the ABS off because I have it coming on all the time for pushing the bike too hard. Also it looses it EVO power asisted duell brakes. I can out brake it on my R1100S. Thats right I can leave the braking to the last minute before tiping into the corner because of the duell set up on the R1100S. So what you gain in horses you
loose in braking over the R1100S. The piss off is, if you want this bike to perform some where like your R1100S you will be let down in more ways than one. For $25,000 I don't think I will be seeing to many of them around where I ride.I just hope that BMW listen to the comments and change the rear of the bike to acommadate a pillion and some hard luggage and they may see there sales rise. Also I'd like to say that the bike has been for sale in Adelaide for a Month now and they have sold not one. Not a bad start.

Cheers Kieran

What all the fafe is about is that the R1100S has been around for 7 years with upgrades like a fatter back wheel and twin sparked it to reduce some vibration that people complained about and BMW listened and tried to smooth things out.
For the R1100S owners after 7 years one would have expected that the new model would be a better bike. Not only the 24hp that it has gained but erginomicly be a better bike too! While most BMW'S are for the touring minded we can appreciate some sporting prowess that the R1100S has but is capable of a pilion and luggage and long distance. The R1200S is Squarely focused on sport with little or no pillion comfort and no luggage.So who will it appeal to. Sport wise it will not hold its own with anything other than its own kind, and thats a fact. The Japanese bikes will kill it in every aspect other than comfort. So lets rule out SPORT. That leaves COMFORT, and tourability for ONE. Lets look at something else as well. In Australia this bike will cost you for a base model $21,000 Ohlins $1000, ABS $1,500 pre Dilivery $550 Stamp Duty $750 Rego $434 Total $25,234 for a Sports Bike. So where does it leave a R1100S owner if he want to change his bike. The only improvement is more horse power and a tad beter handling which is debateable. I took the R1200S for a test ride and had to turn the ABS off because I have it coming on all the time for pushing the bike too hard. Also it looses it EVO power asisted duell brakes. I can out brake it on my R1100S. Thats right I can leave the braking to the last minute before tiping into the corner because of the duell set up on the R1100S. So what you gain in horses you
loose in braking over the R1100S. The piss off is, if you want this bike to perform some where like your R1100S you will be let down in more ways than one. For $25,000 I don't think I will be seeing to many of them around where I ride.I just hope that BMW listen to the comments and change the rear of the bike to acommadate a pillion and some hard luggage and they may see there sales rise. Also I'd like to say that the bike has been for sale in Adelaide for a Month now and they have sold not one. Not a bad start.

Cheers Kieran

"I have just picked up a yellow version, with the Ohlins suspension. I rented the same equipped cycle in Switzerland for a couple of days, and road several passes in the Alps. On the basis of living on the rental, and traveling over some very demanding roads, I made my decision to buy the bike when I returned to the US. As on all sport bikes, you have to be the right size to fit the bike. That being said, I am the right size, 5'9", and about 170lbs. BMW did a great job of up-dating the "R" sports model. The greatest improvments being: the transmission shifting and the power band of the motor. If you want more than a, "track day", cycle, then this is the sport bike for you. You can cover long distances, and still do a track day. This is not a true track cycle, but it can be ridden very aggressively, and will not, "bite back". If you are interested, I will keep anyone posted as to the relibility of this cycle."

HELLO,,, YES PLEASE UPDATED YOUR EXPERIENCES ON R1200S... I AM SO CONFUSED WHAT TO BUY AS I CAN;T AFFORD TO BUY ONE AND SELL IT IF I DONLT LIKE IT...
PLEASE TELL ME;
HOW IS THE R1200S ACCELERATION COMPARE TO ANY JAPANESE 1000CC INLINE 4?
HOW IS THE BIKE CORNERING...ETC
I AM NOT INTERESTED IN TOP END SPEED... HAYABUSA LOVERS CAN GO AFTER THAT...

WHAT DO YOU THINK; IF I WOULD SET UP THE PISTON FIRING ORDER TO BE THE SAME( TWO PISTONS FIRE THE SAME TIME) WOULD I GET MORE TORQUE...?

UPDATE ME ,,PLEASE
DADUS

Guys/gals, look up at my July 22 post and somebody PLEASE, PLEASE tell me how folks can say "The extra 12 ponies really ..."

Really what? The one I rode felt absolutely lame. As I said above, my Aprilia's motor is Mike Tyson compared to the BMW.

How can any of you be happy with that?

Really?

July 22 post.

I have read you July 22nd post...
NOW I AM REALLY CONFUSED.. THE R1200S SHOULD GO from 0-100Km 3.1 sec.
That tells me that the bike has juice...

According to your experience the R1200S is a garbage bike..

I think, I need to check out one...

Dadus

Does anyone know where can I rent a BMW R1200S in Asia? I work in S.Korea for an other 18 months...

I can't wait to try one out,,,,,, maybe buy one or spit on it...

dadus

I've had a 1200s (red/silver) since May, when I replaced my 1100s. I ride relatively hard on the road and find the 1200s can be ridden much quicker than its predecessor. Drive out of corners is in a different league. The 1200s is in fact the most rewarding bike I have ridden (and I have ridden mainly Italian machinery - Ducatis and Moto Guzzis - for the last 25 years). My only gripes - and these I'm more than willing to live with are: a) the narrow power band (7 - 8.2k); b) lack of feedback from the front in hard corners; c) engine noise / vibration that sounds like the tappets are loose when riding in town between 3 -4 k rpm, and d) the bike tends to stand up in ocrners under brakes more than the 1100s. But let me leave you with the good points: a) corner exit speeds using torque and power in upper rev range, b) brakes - fantastic; c) great tracking in bumpy bends; d) very good high speed stability, and e) it wheelies!! I also have the large soft luggage bag and you can carry al you need to a week's trip inlcuding lap top! Pillion comfort is reasonable for a sportsbike (better than most people think before they get on!) as long as the pillion is not too tall (ideally under 5'5". By the way - I think the bike looks much better than the 1100s (I had the yellow/grey version, 2004 model, the only colour scheme I liked) and it cleans up well. Go ride!!

I've had a 1200s (red/silver) since May, when I replaced my 1100s. I ride relatively hard on the road and find the 1200s can be ridden much quicker than its predecessor. Drive out of corners is in a different league. The 1200s is in fact the most rewarding bike I have ridden (and I have ridden mainly Italian machinery - Ducatis and Moto Guzzis - for the last 25 years). My only gripes - and these I'm more than willing to live with are: a) the narrow power band (7 - 8.2k); b) lack of feedback from the front in hard corners; c) engine noise / vibration that sounds like the tappets are loose when riding in town between 3 -4 k rpm, and d) the bike tends to stand up in ocrners under brakes more than the 1100s. But let me leave you with the good points: a) corner exit speeds using torque and power in upper rev range, b) brakes - fantastic; c) great tracking in bumpy bends; d) very good high speed stability, and e) it wheelies!! I also have the large soft luggage bag and you can carry al you need to a week's trip inlcuding lap top! Pillion comfort is reasonable for a sportsbike (better than most people think before they get on!) as long as the pillion is not too tall (ideally under 5'5". By the way - I think the bike looks much better than the 1100s (I had the yellow/grey version, 2004 model, the only colour scheme I liked) and it cleans up well. Go ride!!

THANKS FOR YOUR REPLY.....
I THOUGHT THE SAME ALTHOUGH I DON;T OWN A R1200S... MOST OF 1000CC BIKES GO FROM 0-60 AROUND 3SEC. LOGICALLY THE R1200S SHOULD PERFORM THE SAME WAY OR AROUND...(except the R1200S is maintenance FREE)
I WILL TEST ONE AS SOON AS I HAVE A CHANCE...
OTHERWISE ITS PRICE BOTHERS ME....

THANKS
DD

I'm intersted in your comments about carrying everything including a laptop in the large soft luggage bag. I'm about to pick up a RS and I'd appreciate your advice. What soft luggae bag are you refering to, the geniune BMW tailpack?

Hi all, I've orderedmy 12's but is very concerned about the negative feedback. I hada 2000 11's that was replaced with a 1150GS. Just sold the GS an miss it. Can anyone establish if the "R" version of the 12's will be a reality? Can anyone provise comparison between the 996SPS and 12's? (I use the DUC on trackdays) Thank you fans

Hey Guys,

I have a Duc(just bought it secondhand)
Does anyone know what a AMA or GP bike torque output is?
I can;t find it anywhere,,,(just curious)

DH

An AMA or World Superbike Ducati two-cylinder bike puts out about 90 lb-ft. of torque at the rear wheel (important distinction).

Street Aprilia and Ducatis (Mille and 999) put out about 80 lb-ft. for anywhere from 110-130 rear-wheel horsepower.

I would guess, from riding it, that the R1200 puts out about 60 lb.-ft.

It is very, very weak in comparison to the racing twins.

An AMA or World Superbike Ducati two-cylinder bike puts out about 90 lb-ft. of torque at the rear wheel (important distinction).
Street Aprilia and Ducatis (Mille and 999) put out about 80 lb-ft. for anywhere from 110-130 rear-wheel horsepower.
I would guess, from riding it, that the R1200 puts out about 60 lb.-ft.
It is very, very weak in comparison to the racing twins.

WHY WOULD BMW LIST THE R1200 AS 80LBS/FT?

dd

A BIG-BANG Question; anyone know the answer?

I am very confused on big bang engine configuration... Does it mean that two pistons fires at the same time in an inline4 engine?
I heard that GP bikes have Big-Bang set up...generate huge torque...
If so,,, why the twin engines have so low torque....?
Twins should have top torque as two cylinders fires at the same time...

Anyone know the answer for the above?

Hi, nice site! http://www.opensourcearmenia.com/Members/de/4.html

Responding to Simon's question about tailpacks for the 1200s. There are two available from BMW and I have the larger capacity. It fits securely with straps under the rear seat and fasteners linked to frame under the rider's seat. It hangs slightly over the rear cowl so worth protecting the paintwork (stickers, towel, etc.) - this is an oversight on BMW's part in my view. But can put a lot of kit in the bag incl laptop, a week of clothes and even a suit and a couple of pairs of shoes. Took my 12s (now done 1500 miles) into Vines in Guildford (Surrey, UK) for recall which involved replacement of o-ring in rear drive and had engine re-mapped as per newest bikes. This has raised midrange power so step up to power band at around 6.5-7k is not so strong and makes the bike even more user friendly. Having ridden Dukes and Guzzis for the last 20 years or so (as well as an 1100s for a year until last May), I repeat, this is one hell of a bike. Will be putting it on Brands Hatch next month and riding it against a race prepared Ducati 749. The question will be how far off the pace is it..?

Hey I hate to break up this discussion over such an amazing bike, but I have a question and you all seem like you're experienced riders. I presently own a 1994 Suz. Katana 600, it's got the 4 into 1 exhaust with a Yoshi slip on pipe. Recently I've been unimpressed with it's power, or lack there of. It was fine when I started riding 2 years ago, but now it's not as exciting. It doesn't seem to be able to handle riding with a passenger as much as I'd like it to. Bottom line is that it's time for me to upgrade. My heart lies with Suzuki and I like the feel off a heavy supersport tourer. The GSX-R 1000 feels to light, though I've only sat on them in showrooms. I was thinking of upgrading to the 1300 Hayabusa, I just want to hear all the reasons I shouldn't. I have heard it is comfortable for taller people and I'm in that 6' and taller group.

I owned two r1100's, the later been the upgraded sport. I sold it last year in anticipation of the release of the new r1200s. Last month I finally secured a ride of the fully spec model on a great country road that allowed me to form a genuine 'true' impression of the new bike. I must admit that following all of the PR prior to the release of the R12 I had 'expected' certain obvious improvements over my old bikes. Having said this, my first disappointment was the motor vibration. All of the publicity about the new motor with it's additional 'balancing shaft' had me believing that I would feel a substancial difference over the old r1100s. That didn't eventuate. Granted the bike was slightly less vibey than the 1100s; but it wasn't significant. This was only an observation because I have never had any issues with the vibes of the old motor. After all, I'm riding a big twin with 'character'. You have to expect vibration but nothing that is offensive. Nothing like the high speed vibes of many multi fours that feel like sewing machines!

The second obvious difference between the 12 and the 11 was the power delivery. I may have this wrong, especially since BMW adjusted the throddle so as to take the snatch out of the fuel injection, but the 1200s seemed to lack the mid-range grunt of the 1100. There is no question that the top-end range is outstanding, but in the real world, I think there is a 'real' advantage in having the power where you most need it.

I love the look of the R1100. I like the look of the R1200. Having ridden the old bike for over 7 years, I found it to be one of most comfortable sports-tourers on the market. In the limited time that I had with the r1200 I found it also to be very comfortable and the general ergonomics to be similar to the 1100. That's all fine for the rider but as stated in so many comments already listed, the new bike doesn't want you to take any friends. I can understand the BMW philosophy. If that's what you want, buy another bike in our range, however with the 1100 I could have my cake and eat it too. In this era of specialisation you are expected to have the right tool for the right job but again, in the real world, we can't possibly have a garage of bikes that we ride according to our daily circumstances.

Finally the issue of the gear box. A lot has been said that the new bike was a country mile ahead of the old 1100. There is no doubt that it is better but again, I never miss a gear on my old bike and I thought the new gear box would be a whole lot better that what it actually was; not that I had any criticisms of the new unit, maybe I just expected more because of all of the PR that was thrust in this area about the 1200.

In the end, I had my money (and the approval of the wife) to buy the 1200s. I had a great price for the fully optioned unit but on the 11th hour I came across an exceptional example of a 2005 r1100s sport model with only 1500k's on it for a price that was $7000 less that the new 1200. The 1100 has 8 months factory warranty and was a former BMW big-wig salary sacrificing toy that sat in his garage for 9 months. No prizes for guessing what I did. I'm now onto my 3rd 1100s and I love it whilst at the same time wondering whether I did the right thing.

As the old saying goes, 'horses for courses'. Living in the country of Australia where there are big miles, great roads and many over-night stays the versatility of the 1100s won out. My wife hasn't said anything about my decision but I sence a feeling of relief because I don't think she had any intentions of doing any reasonable trips on the 'rear seat' of the 1200s.

But everytime I ride alone into the great riding hills near my home town on the 1100, I reflect on what a great bike I'm riding but also what might have been. Did I do the right thing. Am I missing out! In my case mind won out over heart.
Needless to say whatever decision I may have made there was no real wrong decision; two great bikes with common ancestory.

Such is life, damned if you do and damned it you don't.

Safe riding.

Responding to dadus and simon on 28 and 30 Aug respectively.

I agree the price is high, but the build quality seems quite a bit higher than a ducati - particularly in terms of how it is standing up to trials and tribulations of daily use in all weather conditions (my 12S is now 4 months, 5000 miles old). BMW have just remapped the engine and mid-range is stronger so the step up to the power band not quite so vicious. The bike feels very grunty indeed now - and is superb punting through corners. Re the luggage that dadus asked about - yes I have the large BMW Motorrad tailpack and it is very secure and fits plenty. The only downside is that it hangs slightly over the side panels and you need to protect these with anything from a towel through to adhesive-backed plastic.

After reading so much negative comment from so many people, one thing is clear: most don't own an R12S. As an owner, I can tell you for my requirements this bike is exceptional and my respect for it's very considerable capabilities, particularly real sports capability, grows daily!! But for those wanting an all-round sports-tourer, not interested in getting to the edge of your tyres, a need to use clip-on BMW luggage....you might be happier staying with the R11S!

I agree the price is high, but the build quality seems quite a bit higher than a ducati - particularly in terms of how it is standing up to trials and tribulations of daily use in all weather conditions (my 12S is now 4 months, 5000 miles old). BMW have just remapped the engine and mid-range is stronger so the step up to the power band not quite so vicious. The bike feels very grunty indeed now - and is superb punting through corners. Re the luggage that dadus asked about - yes I have the large BMW Motorrad tailpack and it is very secure and fits plenty. The only downside is that it hangs slightly over the side panels and you need to protect these with anything from a towel through to adhesive-backed plastic.

After reading so much negative comment from so many people, one thing is clear: most don't own an R12S. As an owner, I can tell you for my requirements this bike is exceptional and my respect for it's very considerable capabilities, particularly real sports capability, grows daily!! But for those wanting an all-round sports-tourer, not interested in getting to the edge of your tyres, a need to use clip-on BMW luggage....you might be happier staying with the R11S!

HELLO AND THANKS FOR THE FEEDBACK..

SO TELL ME HOW IS THE BIKE COMPARE TO JAPENSE 1000CC INLINE FOURS... IS THE R1200S FAST, ACCELERATION,GOOD CORNERING ETC...
I JUST CAN'T PUT MY HANDS ON A R1200S TO TRY ONE OUT...HONSTLY I AM EXPECTING A SUPER MADE BIKE...

BMW BIKES HAVE GOOD QUALTY,,, AND THEY LAST FOREVER...

This bike should be compared with the jap 1000cc fours in terms of outright acceleration. Look at the power to weight ratios. However, in the real world of uneven road surfaces and a need for power that doesn't so easily cause wheel spin, the R1200S is likely to be a able to post quicker point to point times in my view. The handling is at least on a par, and on uneven roads, probably better.

I don't know what all the grips are about. I owned an R1100S and test drove a R1200S two times and R1200S is leagues above the R1100S as far a engineering and performance goes. I've riden ducs and triumphs and japanese bikes and the R1200S has its own character and is in a class of its own. Forget the stats. This bike feels better than a triple speed or in-line four even though it is probably not as fast. The low end torque of the boxer twin makes this bike so must more fun than its high reving competitors. Vibration? Bring it on. If I wanted to ride silky smooth - buy a touring bike or a cadillac. I want to feel the machine not hide from it.

I was one of the 1st to buy the 1200S when it came out. I've enjoyed riding it everyday this summer. Other than the ticket I got from the police for excessive speed it's been a joy. My only displeasure is the seat gets a little uncomfortable.

Does anyone have any leads on a more comfortable aftermarket seat?

GH

Just went for a test drive this afernoon with the R1200S full extras (ohlins, Akrapovic exaust, ABS) and boy does it pulls!
I always had yamahas but now I'm blown away buy the looks and performance of this BMW.
Cornering with this bike is really something, you flip it from left to right with no effort.
This size of the front sit also pleased me, even if you are tall you can pull back and get full wind screen covered.
Will get one for sure if I can spend the 15.000€ for the full packaged (13K€ for standard version), prices for Portugal.

I have left a few comment before further up this page and after reading some other riders comments I would like to leave you with this.
Some of you like this bike and some of you have gone out and bought it. For me I still think BMW have got it wrong with this Bike as a replacement over the R1100S.Some of you are trying to say that this bike is capable of running with the latet Japanese FOURS! You are kidding yourselfs. I have riden this bike and yes it is fun to ride. Is it that better that the R1100S. In my appion, NO. Why. Put both bikes together which I have and see how much the R1200S will pull away from the R1100S. I have done this on a BMW ride day. OK my R1100S has suspention upgrades and has 101hp at the back wheel, and it comes down to rider ability. I shat all over the whole ride day, thats right all of the BMW crew, because I can ride fast and good over the road. And with saying that I have just bought the 2007 ZX10R after owning a 2004 model. Why, because all my mates I ride with have the latest Jap 1000cc and a few Ducks and MV Agustas, and as good as I can ride I don't have a chance at all staying with them on most roads.I sold the 04 ZX10 and tried to make the R1100S do the job the 10 could. It is only the very tight stuff that I can poke the R1100S up there back side. So what ever your reason for buying the R1200S or not buying the bike, it will not perform like my ZX10R and that is a fact. I love my R1100S but it does not deliver the kick in the arse performance of the 10. The margen the R1200S has over the R1100S is minimal.Put 2 good riders together on both the beemers and you will see little advantage. The R1200S has been for sale now in Adelaide for 4 months now and I have seen 2 around the bike huants.Like I have said before will it sell as many units as the R1100S has. That must say something.
Cheers Kieran

I have been reading all your comments over the last 3 months while I have been agonising over the decision to buy the R1200S. Having ridden nothing but Jap litre bikes for the past 20 years and raced in Superbike for a number of those I could never bring myself to own anything less than the latest Japanese superbike. I have taken the plunge a couple of weeks ago and gotten a black one with Ohlins and bigger back wheel and I would like to put my 2 cents worth in for those in the same position as me. My opinion is this is not really a bike for those who ride the 1100S, It is more suited to guys coming of Blades and GSX-Rs who want to do more than go up and down their favourite road for 2 hours and then go home. My mate has an 1100s and we swopped over yesterday as I was interested to see whether the 1100s was as good as the 12. It was like getting of a Blade or R1 onto a Blackbird. Nice smooth motor but not as much grunt, nice handling up to a point but not to good when you start to push and the brakes were way too strong on initial pull, but overall pretty good, but would have no chance of staying with a well ridden jap sportsbike, so my hats of to you guys that have done some work to your 1100s and can go as quick. The 1200 on the other hand is a much different animal, good power, good bottom end, not so good midrange and not to bad up top, great handling and fantastic brakes. It does vibe over 4500revs but nothing to bad, although I have to say my bike is a lot smoother than the demo. Compared to a Jap bike it is not as good up to 60k in really tight stuff, as good as anything up to 200k in the fast stuff and then loses out after that. It looks great, I don't have to worry about chains anymore, and I can ride it all day and be ready for more the next. It won't beat any Jap bike on a track thats well ridden but would be a lot of fun. And my mate didn't want to give the bike back.
Cheers John

I bought a black R1200S last Friday. After riding it less than 60 miles I noticed that the paint on the centre tank panel was showing signs of wear, likely from where my textile jacket was in contact with the bike. Obviously I was rather upset that this had happened and I emailed my dealer immediately who are looking after me with a replacement panel. My question for anyone who has bought this bike, in any colour, have you had any paint problems with your bike or am I an isolated case? I think I'm the first one in Canada to buy a black bike so they are quite miffed at the damage.

I've got the Red/grey version which I think ooozes exclusivity and pulls everyones eyes. Today I was out for a 1.5 hours and a few stops on-route and 3 folks asked me the make and wer very surprised and impressed with the looks. If you're after looks and of course combined wit an everyday bike - buy it !!
Matt

I owned a Red R1100S for four years. I purchased it new and loved it with a passion. In my opinion the best looking road registerable bike available. When I first saw photo's of the new R1200S I did not like it. The front looked as though it was designed by someone in one city and the back by a different person in another place.
But after getting on the R1200S I knew after only 500 metres that I wanted one. In my opinion, nothing you can do to your 1100S will turn it into a 1200S. The new bike is so much smoother, the gearbox is a generation better in operation and feel and the bike steers so much better than the older model. If I could duplicate myself to ride the 1200S against myself on the 1100S I would be able to ride around the outside of myself on those runs through the mountains.
The lighter weight of the 1200S is immediately noticeable, as is the much stronger top end. Mine is Shine Yellow with a Gloss Black front and centre strip on the tank (instead of the normal matt grey).
I still prefer the look of the 1100S but you cannot look at the bike when you are riding - the feel of the new bike and the thrill of riding it more than makes up for any lack of looks. My wife is not interested in travelling with me on a bike other than a cruiser type so the lack of pillion accommodation is not an issue for me, and I am not concerned about any lack of luggage carrying ability.
Ride the R1200S - You Will Love It !!

Have just had my first service on the R1200S at 1400km, no problems at all so far. My only complaint is the seat which has angled edges close to the tank and is fairly firm, after about an hour it starts to get a bit uncomfortable. The engine seems to be making a bit more power now even though I am told the boxers take a lot of kays to get to their best. No problems staying with the Jap bikes either, I still want to play with suspension settings, so far have only upped compression and rebound 4 clicks front and rear to firm it up a bit, next step would be some preload and rear ride height, but as is it is really good. Anyone else try settings that work please post them. Fuel economy is good and tyre wear is looking exceptional compared to my other bikes at this mileage. My only other gripe is the exhaust header pipes looking like crap, I have been using a metal polish to keep them looking OK but they need continual care, any suggestions?

I am taking delivery of my red/silver R1200S on 2 Jan '07. Believe it, I am swopping from a Suzuki 1300GSXR, yes a Hayabusa to the latest BMW twin. The BMW will never be a contender with the hypersport's, it is rather a mild mannered spotbike for the less agressive rider ... my days of exceeding 240 kays are over, much to the liking of the missus and I am sure that I will adapt to the slower driving style readily.

How many of you people collect diecast motorcycle models ?? I do, and have been able to get one each of the three colours (Red, Yellow and Black) of the R1100S made by Minichamps for BMW in 18th scale. Has there been a diecast R1200S model yet ?? The Minichamps versions sold through BMW dealers were quality models - unlike many of the readily available "cheap" ones that are regularly for sale on ebay. Please report any R1200S scale models that you find so that us collectors know what to look out for.
How many R1200S owners have purchased a rear "paddock or track" stand ?? If you have, are you pleased with it ?? Can the rear wheel be turned easily for cleaning whilst being supported by the stand ??

Karl, the only thing you might miss from the Hyabusa is the big fat seat and the acceleration and smoother cruising speed over 160kph, everything else is better, especially the brakes and handling, did you get Ohlins suspension? It will take you a while to get used to the engine but you will have plenty of power for any road. I hope you like it as much as I do.

i have got a 1200s and it is the dogs bo***cks.

I have owned over 20 beemers over the years, old boxers, new boxers, K bikes, I've riden and owned them all, my last bike being an R11S... I think the new R12S is an exceptional motorcycle, I love the looks and the feel and the character... it's very easy and friendly to ride, surefooted and has tons and tons of torque that no one would ever need for road use... I rode it back to back with the K12R, a nice bike but more automotive in feel and more Japanese in character... a great motorcycle and would own it over any Jap bike any day, but I love boxers, I find I can read them better and I can feel what it's doing through the torque and vibration characterisitcs of the motor making for a more involved experience... I have always found them much more fun to ride and this R12S was just exceptional... I think they nailed it, they improved over an already fantastic bike and did it in a way that doesn't sacrifice much of anything... I could do without the crazy space-age looking rear light and muffler assembly, but other than that 10/10 in my book, as good as a motorcycle can get... I can also see why the new RT will be a great hit... just fantastic bikes... congrats to the BMW guys for introducing such fun quality, safe, riding experiences...

John, got the full monty, i.e. Ohlins front and rear as well as 190 rear tyre (standard in South Africa). Took delivery on 3 Jan and since done 2100 km of which 600km was in the mountains. The bike handles like a dream and the brakes are awesome. Going to Phakisa Raceway (ex- SA GP track) for a trach day on 3 Feb ... will post my comments on the experience.

I had two R1100S (both ended up stolen) and loved them, apart from the feeling of dragging two cement bags. So I finally succumbed to a 999 - which was beautifully made, faster, leaner - fine, for about 10 miles. At 6ft 1" it somehow became a torture machine with crap resale. Along came the R1200s - it gives me all the comfort of the 1100s with the speed of the Ducati, but more manageable. Perfect. I never need another bike.

Actually I am quite amazed at the negative comments I have read so far. I purchased an R1200S 4 monthsa ago and I would like to share my observations. I currently own these following bikes as well:
2006 Ducati 999s
2006 Suzuki GSXR 750
2006 Triumph Thruxton
2006 Suzuki GSXR 1000
2006 H-D Screaming Eagle V-Rod
2005 Yamaha R-1 Raven
As you can see, I have an extensive array of powerful bikes. The BMW would be my pick if you said to sell all but one. Why? Simple, it does 90% of what the sport bikes are capable of doing (on the street) which is where most people do most of their riding but it does it very comfortably. My neck and shoulders are fine after a 250 mile day in the north Ga mountains. You could say the ride is almost plush but still it has the ability to nip at the heels of the true track bikes.

I have spent many weekends in the mountain twisties and track days as well and I can say with certainty that it's a rare day when I get passed by anything up top when I am on the BMW. In addition, I have raced many of my friends on the street from a rolling 20 MPH (in a straight line) and typically the BMW takes the other bikes in the initial burst to 100MPH. When it hits 6000 RPM it takes an act of congress to keep the front end on the ground and when I slam in second It's back up again. It has power wheelied for hundreds of feet in 2nd gear! Now here is how it fares against my other bikes in my rolling 20 acceleration tests from point a to b which is a rough eigth mile.

BMW-106MPH idicated 103 true
Suzuki 750- 114 indicated but my GPS says it's only 107
Ducati-109 true(I changed out the rear sproket and chain)
GSXR 1000-116 idicated but GPS says 110
Thruxton-81
V-Rod - 94 true
R1 - 109 true

In all fairness the R1 and GSXR 1ooo have such tall first gears (100mph plus in first) they are handicapped in this test. They will all blow by after the first 200 yards but where do you corner (on the streets) in the triple digits? I think BMW has delivered a unique bike that is comfortable to ride and has plenty of power for most applications with the uniqueness of BMW. Wen I take my GSXR 1000 to the mountains in North GA I have to make sure I am getting back on the right bike when I finish eating at TWO. SO take it for what it's worth, but I have invested the time and money to truly judge the bike on a daily basis and the conclusion is that it is a true winner!

Brian, 2006 must have been a hell of a year, I would probably never get out of the garage though, I wouldn't be able to decide what to take. Do you have a car collection as well? A few weeks ago I put my R1200 up against a new 07 R1. 28km up over the mountains, only slowing on known radar spots. There was not much in it, we have both been riding together for quite a few years and even though I have quite a few years of race experience he is just as quick on the road. The BM seems to have an advantage out of slow to medium corners as the R1 just can't get the power down and the BM loses out under full throttle because of the flat spot between 4500 and 6500 rpm. We swopped bikes on the way down, and even though I was quicker on the R1 I was surprised how crappy the front brake was compared to the brembos on the BMW. It doesn't have braided lines but you would think with 6 piston calipers it would be better. It also pumped out lots of heat on legs and bum. It's a great bike, no doubt but I was not sorry to hand it back. Hay Brian, I saw the new 1098S Ducati in the shop yesterday, you need one of those in the garage.